In the present day, we’re rewatching the 1991 film Hook, starring Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman and directed by Steven Spielberg.
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Present Notes:
Decor inspiration:
Granny Wendy’s Home
The kids’s bed room: a balcony with home windows that open so you’ll be able to step out, vintage vibe, dollhouse, beds with canopies, fort that they constructed, cool outdated crystal chandeliers, tasteful and fascinating wallpaper, and historic stuff.
Granny Wendy’s bed room: each inch of the wall was lined in artwork and gold frames.
Little touches all through home with hints for films: ship in bottle that’s Captain Hook’s ship, plenty of candles, and many frames.
Misplaced Boys Treehouse Compound
Extra a fantasy playground to take your youngsters to
Not one thing you’ll need in your yard
Lengthy desk, skateboard ramp, zip strains, sling shot, and their very own sleeping quarters
Captain Hook’s Cabin
Fire with creepy cravings
Little miniatures
Plenty of collections: classic mirrors and footwear
Dropdown mattress
Oil portray of himself
Different cozy inspiration (style, meals, drink or something?)
Wonderful costumes, particularly the baseball uniforms
Magical mermaids
Fee this film from 0 to five Hooks
Emma – 12 hooks for visible however 3 crocodile burps for storyline
Elsie – 6 hooks
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Episode 222 Transcript:
Elsie: You’re listening to the Lovely Mess Podcast, your cozy, consolation hear. In the present day, we’re rewatching the 1991 film Hook, starring Robin Williams and Dustin Hoffman, and directed by Steven Spielberg. I’m so excited. I really like this film. That is considered one of my favourite films from my very own childhood and I completely continuously push it on my youngsters. So I believe it needed to be carried out. Goldie was truly, we have been watching it yesterday to prep for this and she or he requested me, she stated, isn’t your podcast for grownups? And he or she was like, why are you watching a child’s film?
Emma: That’s an excellent query, Goldie. Yeah. Very perceptive of you.
Elsie: I do know, proper? However I imply, I really feel like when you’re a millennial particular person, you grew up with Hook. Most likely. I hope you probably did. If not, I’m sorry as a result of it’s indirectly society failed you as a result of it truly is the final word.
Emma: It’s unhinged in all the absolute best methods. And there’s so many well-known individuals in it. It’s simply well-known particular person, well-known particular person, well-known particular person. It’s loopy. So nice film. So when you haven’t seen it, right here’s a synopsis. Mainly it’s Peter Pan grown up and he has forgotten that he was Peter Pan and Captain Hook comes again and kidnaps his youngsters and Peter Pan has to return to Neverland. Keep in mind who he was. He’s Peter Pan. He can fly. He can struggle. He can crow and save his youngsters from Captain Hook. And Captain Hook, in the meantime, is low key making an attempt to get the children to like him as a result of he thinks that it’s going to make Peter Pan jealous and unhappy. And that’s just about the plot of the film. It’s a two and a half hour film although, for a way brief that plot is. That is like one of many longest youngsters films that I can consider.
Elsie: Yeah, I believe it truly is without doubt one of the longest youngsters films of all time. I imply that could be very lengthy. I watched it in like three settings, and I didn’t even get completed all the way in which. However I watched it final yr, so I felt like I used to be shut sufficient.
Emma: We deliberate, my husband and I, we have been like, okay, as quickly as Oscar goes down, make a quick dinner and begin this film as a result of it’s lengthy, and we’re drained. We can’t keep up until midnight watching Hook so, needed to get began. It’s lengthy, it’s a protracted one.
Elsie: Okay, recollections from once you first watched this film. So we had this film on a VHS tape as youngsters. So it was very repeated. We sort of had like The Robin Williams assortment, like, just about this one and Mrs. Doubtfire, although, are for me like my very ceaselessly rewatched, so, I in all probability watched it like 100 occasions in life, you already know, as a result of once you’re a bit of child, at the least within the Nineteen Nineties, within the period earlier than Disney Plus, you simply rewatched the flicks that you simply owned so many occasions.
Emma: Yeah, I really feel like we had, like, eight VHS tapes of children stuff that we watched was like Little Giants, Hook, Mrs. DoubtFire, Sister Act 1, Sister Act 2, Rookie of the 12 months, you already know, and the explanation I keep in mind them is as a result of we watched them so many occasions since you would simply rewind them. After which watch them once more since you didn’t have streaming. That wasn’t how TV labored again then.
Elsie: Yeah. I believe that after I suppose again to my childhood, me watching this, I had lots of consideration in direction of Tinkerbell. And like Julia Roberts’ little Tinkerbell, and never as a lot now. Now I really feel prefer it’s extra like equally unfold out by way of all of the characters, however yeah, it’s a fantastic film. I don’t suppose as youngsters, we actually recognize that, however one of many causes we wished to do it for the podcast, it actually is sort of a lovely inside design film. So when you want one thing to look at together with your child, that is also lovely for you, and may maintain your consideration indirectly, that is one thing we advocate.
Emma: Yeah. Visually, this film is a ten out of 10 or extra. It’s simply unimaginable. All of the costumes, all of the interiors, all of the props, all the pieces concerning the visuals is unimaginable. It seems to be like they made it like a Disney world and filmed at it. what I imply? It’s loopy. And yeah, as a child, the 2 issues that I keep in mind protruding to me was there’s a scene the place a personality will get in hassle with Captain Hook. He thinks that they’re a traitor they usually put him in a field they usually name it a boo field they usually put a scorpion in with them on this chest field. I keep in mind as a child considering that was so scary and as an grownup, I additionally suppose it’s so scary. I additionally like for no matter motive within the early 90s, scorpions have been a little bit of a factor as a result of I believe there’s a scorpion in one of many Honey I Shrunk the Youngsters films. And it’s very scary too. So I keep in mind being very frightened of scorpions as a child, regardless that it wasn’t like one thing that we actually have in Missouri. I don’t even suppose we’ve them at throughout right here.
Elsie: Yeah. No, Nova has watched all of the Honey I Shrunk the Youngsters not too long ago. And I’ll say we’re not going to do them in a rewatch in all probability. However I extremely advocate them. I do suppose they aged effectively they usually’re nonetheless simply pretty much as good, like superb.
Emma: After which the opposite scene I liked as a child and nonetheless love now that I believe holds up for all of the love that I had for it’s the meals struggle scene. It’s sort of the scene the place Peter Pan is turning into himself once more, as a result of he can’t see they’re having a feast and he can’t see it. It’s like a make consider feast. However then because the scene goes on, he begins to see the meals. And it’s sort of the second that within the film the place he’s turning into childlike once more, he can see the issues that the kids see. And so it’s this particular factor within the film, however visually it’s like, the meals is sort of made out of paint. It virtually seems to be like they similar to acrylic painted like pies and coloured whipped cream. And they also have this meals struggle that the meals doesn’t actually seem like actual meals essentially, but it surely’s extraordinarily colourful and it principally all seems to be like whip cream.
Elsie: It’s paintball meals.
Emma: Yeah, it’s like paintball meals, but it surely’s actually enjoyable and it’s probably the most lovely meals struggle scene. And as a child, I keep in mind considering like, man, I actually wish to have a meals struggle. That appears so enjoyable. Prefer it was like the most effective.
Elsie: Yeah. I really like that. Oh my gosh.
Emma: I adore it.
Elsie: Okay. So we’re going to actually break down the decor inspiration from this film. So something we might use in our own residence, which to me was a shocker, however I do have some love, hate, sturdy reactions, et cetera. Okay. So the three essential like areas that I really feel like are the keys. Inform me when you suppose I’m lacking any are Granny Wendy’s home in London. And the Misplaced Boys treehouse in Neverland, and Captain Hook’s cabin on the pirate ship in Neverland. Is there anything you suppose?
Emma: No I believe these are those, like, these are the areas I consider for certain. So Granny Wendy’s home, it’s in London, so that they’ve gone on an airplane they usually’re in London now and the premise is sort of like they haven’t been right here in like 10 years or one thing, they haven’t seen her in a very long time. Once they stroll into her home, it’s just like the second the place I used to be like, oh yeah, this can be a Christmas film, trigger it’s like Christmas time, they’re visiting her for Christmas. And there’s a tree up, and like, so her home is a bit of bit embellished for Christmas, however I really feel like you’ll be able to see what it will be embellished all yr spherical too. However yeah, so when you additionally need a low key Christmas film, I believe this matches the invoice. Seems it’s Christmas firstly of the film.
Elsie: That’s a cool commentary. Okay, so the 2 elements in her home that I used to be very, like, targeted on are the kids’s bed room and likewise Grandma Wendy’s bed room. So, first we’ll do the kids’s bed room. I imply the kids’s bed room is like probably the most magical a part of Peter Pan in addition to Neverland. Prefer it’s at all times magical as a result of it’s like this excessive up like lofty bed room with a balcony. It at all times has a balcony. It at all times has home windows that you may open up and stroll out of.
Emma: So Peter Pan can fly and go to the nursery as a result of that’s the premise of the outdated story.
Elsie: Yeah, and this one could be very lovely with wooden particulars, plenty of like an vintage vibe and it has a doll home. It has beds with a cover, like a fort that they’ve constructed. It’s excellent. I imply, I believe it’s like the final word youngsters’s bed room, so I liked it. I might take all of that for my very own home. There’s nothing about it that I wouldn’t settle for.
Emma: I believe it would slot in your home too. It’s extra grandma and fewer spooky than your home, but it surely’s lots of the identical stuff. Like actually cool outdated crystal chandeliers, actually tasteful, fascinating wallpaper, historic stuff. Like, yeah, I might see Goldie dwelling in that child’s bed room and liking it. Though she’d be like, the place’s all of the princess stuff? I want extra princess stuff, but it surely’s sort of shut.
Elsie: So yeah, we are able to put a couple of further princess issues in there. Okay, after which the opposite room that simply, like, threw me was Grandma Wendy’s bed room. So within the scene the place they, like, the kids have simply disappeared, they’re, like, laying in her mattress all collectively, simply, like, speaking about, like, what to do. Her bed room is so good, and I used to be like, I believe I can use all of those concepts for my very own bed room. As a result of, similar to, the way in which the mattress was located with the tables and the wallpaper and all the pieces, it sort of appeared like I might translate it. And, so the factor that was particular about it, that I believe my bed room’s lacking now could be that sort of like each inch of the wall was lined with artwork and like gold frames. Prefer it was simply actually full and it made me notice that possibly mine is sort of a little bit too empty for what I really need.
Emma: Effectively, she’s a grandma.
Elsie: True.
Emma: It takes a lifetime to curate that sort of assortment, however you already know, you’ll be able to attempt to do it within the subsequent yr. I understand how you’ll.
Elsie: I can and I’ll. Yeah.
Emma: Sort of all through the home like each these rooms after which sort of the downstairs They present us that similar to little particulars of knick knacks and issues as a result of the home could be very full However they’ll present like a ship that’s inside a bottle and also you notice later that it seems to be similar to Captain Hook’s ship. I believed there’s plenty of little I don’t know in the event that they’re actually Easter eggs, however undoubtedly just like the set designers have been like, that is Wendy’s home, and she or he’s been to Neverland a bunch of occasions. So lots of her tiny knick knack decor goes to sort of mirror some Neverland issues, and it does, and it’s actually cute. It’s sort of just like the Residence Alone home in that manner the place there’s lots of little issues that you simply don’t notice till you’re actually trying and then you definately’re like, Oh.
Elsie: It’s much like the Residence Alone home, however just a bit extra antiquey as a result of the Residence Alone home, it’s very 90s. Yeah, like very 80s, 90s. And this one is a bit more historic. However it does have that, like, full, wealthy feeling with, like, plenty of candles, plenty of frames, plenty of, you already know, simply particulars. And I believe that that’s in all probability, like, one of many prime issues that I’m drawn to, like, why I can’t establish as a minimalist. Though I want I may very well be similar to I like issues so full.
Emma: There’s nothing in you that’s minimalist.
Elsie: Effectively, I imply, I wish to be like I wish to be much less wasteful, you already know so like I would like just like the minimalist mindset, however I truly need like a maximalist dwelling.
Emma: Granny Wendy has a maximalist dwelling and it’s Yeah.
Elsie: I believe I’m going to take a screenshot of her bed room and simply end off my bed room precisely the identical as a result of it’s so excellent. So yeah, once you’re watching, catch that bed room and also you’ll see precisely what I imply. I don’t know. I really feel like there’s like this particular factor when there’s artwork even like behind the lamps, you already know what I imply? Yeah, prefer it’s simply very full as a result of proper now it’s like I’ve my entire mattress and on that entire wall and the partitions beside all of it there may be one portray above our mattress and now I do know that’s not good.
Emma: Your bed room might go extra. Yeah, the fireplaces 10 out of 10.
Elsie: Yeah. I adore it. Okay. So do you wish to do the treehouse?
Emma: Yeah, let’s speak concerning the treehouse. Which is definitely, I really feel like, deceptive as a result of it’s actually extra of a collection of treehouses. It’s extra like a bit of group of treehouses.
Elsie: Let’s name it a treehouse compound.
Emma: I wish to know if there’s a treehouse HOA and it’s important to adhere to sure issues once you transfer in.
Elsie: It is vitally constant, so I believe there in all probability is.
Emma: Yeah, oh yeah. There’s some sort of one thing occurring there.
Elsie: Okay, so for me, like, the treehouse is considered one of, I imply, it’s like probably the most epic, like, set of the film. There’s nothing from it I might use in my dwelling. It’s extra like what you’ll need for like a fantasy playground that you possibly can like take your youngsters to, you wouldn’t essentially need it in your yard or something, however like, it’s so massive and magical and the way they’ve, you already know, they’re like lengthy desk the place they’ll all eat collectively and it’s excellent.
Emma: It has like skateboard ramps, it has zip strains, it has this like slingshot that they’re making an attempt to assist him keep in mind the way to fly and it simply shoots him into this massive like pool of paint mainly. However they every sort of have their very own little sleeping quarters. It’s like they’ve their very own little treehouse part that’s like the place their mattress is and the place they sleep at night time as a result of it exhibits all of them waking up within the morning as a result of they’re like, Peter Pan’s right here. He’s again. However then they discover out it’s simply outdated Robin Williams they usually’re like, he doesn’t keep in mind us. However yeah, it’s an epic, epic treehouse compound. And I can see why not one of the youngsters wish to go dwelling as a result of it seems to be so enjoyable. Simply play all day and simply be little monkeys on the market for certain.
Elsie: Yeah, it’s unimaginable. I believe it will make an excellent, like, factor at a theme park or one thing, you already know, to make, like, that into, like, an enormous playground that you may climb on and zip line. My youngsters love a zipper line.
Emma: It has to have a skate ramp someplace for teenagers who know the way to skateboard as a result of it’s an enormous a part of it. There’s a basketball part the place they’re taking part in basketball. Yeah, it’s simply, it’s cute. It is sort of a bizarre playground, like a bizarre playground the place they sleep within the bushes. It’s so cute. And also you see Rufio, you see the clock that Tinkerbell sleeps in. What else? There’s simply lots of like moments across the tree home space which can be very epic. I already talked about the meals struggle, however I really feel like that’s like an enormous scene within the film. And yeah, it’s an epic a part of the film for certain.
Elsie: Ah! Yeah, I adore it. Okay, so I’ve this, like, pleased reminiscence earlier than our grandma, Carina, handed away a couple of years in the past, she sort of like had these like grand concepts, like one of many issues I liked about her was she simply received these like very intense, type of like, borderline fantasy concepts of issues she wished to do for actual and I believe I inherited that trait from her. Yeah. It’s very like, I don’t know, it at all times made me pleased, however one of many final issues I keep in mind that she was speaking about was that she wished to construct one other, so she lived in a log cabin that she constructed herself and it was lovely. I might say like a medium sized log cabin, prefer it wasn’t small. It wasn’t an enormous mansion. It was like, you already know, three bedrooms or one thing. And he or she stated that she wished to construct one other cabin after which she wished it to be accessed by way of a bridge within the air. And I used to be like, oh my gosh, like that is, that was the factor about her that I like most treasured was similar to, I don’t know, it’s like she was nonetheless a bit of child in her coronary heart. Like, she was a dreamer. And I wanna be that manner. I like that about her.
Emma: I like that about her, too. It’s enjoyable, dreaming up until the top.
Elsie: Yeah. I want that I might’ve made her draw an image, although, as a result of the way in which I imagined it in all probability wasn’t the way in which she meant it. However it may’ve been, I don’t know.
Emma: It makes me take into consideration, like, when hospitals are related, like, over a street with a bridge like that or one thing. And it truly is actually cool. It’s enjoyable to stroll throughout, like, Oscar loves these sorts of issues. Effectively, and I used to be like, are you gonna construct the opposite cabin over the pond, so that you want the bridge, so that you stroll over the pond, or the bridge simply goes over nothing.
Elsie: What’s the purpose of the bridge? Yeah.
Emma: Which is ok, however often there’s a motive, prefer it goes over a street or one thing.
Elsie: Anyway, it jogged my memory of a treehouse after I was fascinated by it. And you already know, like typically I am going down a kind of rabbit holes of just like the treehouse cabins, you already know. Like Airbnb, when you go on there, it begins like recommending issues to you after which it’s like very straightforward to go down a rabbit gap for me.
Emma: I’m at all times treehouse Airbnbs. It’s simply fascinating.
Elsie: Yeah, I believe that they’re actually cool. So possibly in the future. So let’s do Captain Hook’s cabin. This half was the half that actually, like, shocked me. I used to be like, this can be a vibe, and I might truly take all the pieces in his cabin. Like, for my own residence precisely. It’s an excellent vibe in there. And I wasn’t anticipating to be like, I believe I’m Captain Hook. Like, decor smart. It was excellent. It was excellent. So it had a fire with creepy carvings, which you already know is like considered one of my prime of the tops. It had like little miniatures, which I really like. After which he had similar to lots of collections. Like when he sits down and he has like eight classic mirrors. It was like, oh my gosh, I believe I’m him.
Emma: All his footwear. And so they’re all precisely the identical, however they simply present them lined up. It’s like, cool. Yeah.
Elsie: , The drop down mattress. Okay. So when you haven’t watched the mattress, it comes down from the ceiling a way, someway. It simply has a pulley or one thing and a mattress simply type of seems from the ceiling. In order that half is actually cool. A great answer. I’ve by no means seen anybody do this in a small residence, however in all probability somebody ought to. Even higher than a Murphy mattress. I imply, I believe it is likely to be higher than a Murphy mattress since you don’t have to make use of a wall on it.
Emma: No. It simply comes proper down from the ceiling. So I believe too, like his cabin looks like a bit of little bit of a really fancy outdated man and later within the film they sort of reveal that he’s even older than you may suppose he’s. Like one of many issues in Neverland is that you simply don’t age whilst you’re there. Though you sort of do. There’s some issues with that within the storyline. However that’s, you already know, no matter. That’s in addition to the purpose. The concept behind Neverland is that they’ve damaged all of the clocks as a result of Captain Hook is frightened of clocks due to the crocodile and time stands nonetheless. However you sort of see that Captain Hook has aged so much and he’s a flowery outdated man, which actually matches his cabin and bed room so much. And his finest pal, Schmittie.
Elsie: Sure. Finest man, no matter he’s. Yeah, it’s a entire vibe, and I believe it’s my favourite inside within the film, which is sort of a shocker, however so cool. Okay, the very last thing I’ve down is he has an oil portray of himself. And I actually suppose that if you wish to be Knives Out aesthetic, which I do, that’s just like the primary factor it’s important to have. So I believe it’s time for me to place that on my checklist. And I would like one for everybody in my household, not simply myself, however like, I would like an vintage trying oil portray of our relations so dangerous. So I’ve to make that occur.
Emma: We have been at a museum over the weekend and it had like outdated, you already know, oil work, you already know, as a museum. And so they had some youngsters ones. And I used to be like, oh my gosh, it’s important to get one thing of your women. Trigger I used to be picturing Marigold, trying sort of like a bit of queen to be in her portrait trigger she’s going to. She’s dressed like that each day anyway. And I simply suppose it’s so timeless and peculiar and funky. And yeah, it’s a factor to cherish perpetually.
Elsie: It’s undoubtedly a transfer. So I’m excited to do it. It’s simply so uncommon at the present time, individuals don’t simply fee oil work of their household anymore. Not sufficient.
Emma: They actually don’t.
Elsie: Okay, effectively, I decide to it. Everybody, you’ll be able to maintain me accountable, I promise.
Emma: Additionally canine, I believe we’d like extra oil work of canine too, for my part.
Elsie: I like that. Or when you’re a cat particular person, no matter. Okay, different cozy inspirations. Was there any style, meals, drink, anything?
Emma: Ido suppose the costumes on this film are unimaginable. Whoever the costume designer, the entire division, they did a fantastic job. A few of my favorites, although, is definitely the scene the place they sort of arrange this baseball recreation as a result of Captain Hook is making an attempt to win over Jack and he performs baseball and like his dad didn’t present up. Peter Pan didn’t present as much as his final baseball recreation and it’s like displaying what a nasty father he’s like he’s not concerned in his youngsters’ lives. So anyway, Captain Hook units up this baseball recreation to sort of have a second with him and the outfits that the opposite pirates are sporting it’s like an outdated timey Baseball outfit. They’re like purple velvet and simply manner excessive ridiculous. I used to be like, each costume on this film is bananas and so good. It’s like they went arduous with the costumes. I really like the Tinkerbell costume outfit. I really like her road put on too. And I really feel like if we don’t point out the mermaids in some unspecified time in the future, then we’ve actually missed the mark on the Hook episode.
Elsie: Oh yeah. Marigold walked in whereas we have been watching the mermaids after which she wished me to maintain rewinding it.
Emma: Yeah, their make-up, their hair. I imply, they’re underwater, so I don’t know precisely how they achieved all that. I keep in mind as a child considering like, wow, these mermaids look so cool as a result of they’re actually colourful and completely different trying than mermaids in different films, I suppose.
Elsie: Yeah, I believe they’re the most effective mermaids ever. Very magical. Okay, I’m into the whole aesthetic. Like, the start of the film the place they’re simply, like, boring wealthy mother and father, I’m into that aesthetic. I’m into the ending, I’m into all of it. I believe it’s simply, like, I don’t know, like, the proper, like, mixture of, like, conventional and kooky. And, you already know, I, like, tried to do a Peter Pan theme in considered one of our rooms, however then it didn’t work out as a result of the chandelier wouldn’t match.
Emma: Yeah.
Elsie: After which I needed to transfer it. However possibly I ought to do a Peter Pan theme in a unique place. I don’t know. Or it will probably simply be unfold out all through. True. Just a bit bit all over the place, like Grandma Wendy. I believe I might establish that manner. Okay.
Emma: Since you stored the ship chandelier, so it’s already round.
Elsie: 100%. I imply, it’s an enormous a part of my character. It’s an enormous chandelier. Everybody behold, when you come into my dwelling, you’ll get the tour. You will note the ship.You’ll not miss it. Okay. Is there anything?
Emma: I imply as we’ve talked about I believe visually this film is off the charts for me. Prefer it’s simply lovely units, lovely costumes, even down to love Rufio’s hair, how they alter Peter Pan’s hair as soon as he transforms and remembers who he’s like Robin Williams hair. They actually go for it. And I adore it a lot. And as a lot as I gush about this film and love this film, I might additionally should level out that I believe that there are some issues with the story. I sort of really feel prefer it might have taken like another draft. It’s just a bit unusual. So one the film’s fairly lengthy for a child’s film, however as I used to be watching it, I used to be like, okay I’m gonna suppose by way of what I might reduce if I used to be gonna attempt to get this all the way down to be two hours as an alternative of two and a half and there actually isn’t lots of scenes. Prefer it sort of does all slot in there fairly good. So it’s type of shocking in that manner. I might in all probability reduce the scene the place Tinkerbell turns into giant and she or he mainly hits on Peter Pan. So I really feel prefer it doesn’t make sense with the remainder of what her character does all through the film, the place she’s mainly serving to him to get his youngsters again. After which she has this second the place she’s like oh, you’re Peter Pan once more and also you sort of forgotten your youngsters. Possibly I’ll hit on you. It’s simply this type of like what are you doing.
Elsie: Simply gonna see what occurs.
Emma: I Really feel like they simply wished to indicate her costume. It’s the one time within the film the place she turns into life measurement and she or he has this lovely like princess costume on. And it’s lovely. And it’s Julia Roberts who performs Tinkerbell. So I get like what they’re doing, however visually, 10 out of 10. Story smart, I don’t know what they’re doing with that scene.
Elsie: They only didn’t wish to waste Julia Roberts being tiny the entire time.
Emma: Yeah, that is sensible. I get that. After which there’s simply this different half the place they’re sort of speaking about his origin story. They do a flashback they usually’re like, Peter Pan ran away. However what they actually present is that this stroller that rolls away from its mother who’s speaking to a different mother on a bench after which the newborn’s like laying on the street within the rain. And that’s the Peter Pan ran away. I’m doing air quotes proper now. I’m like, why did they present a child getting misplaced? That doesn’t make me really feel like Peter Pan ran away that makes me really feel like he’s simply misplaced which the opposite youngsters are known as Misplaced Boys, so I’m like, it’s simply unusual. Then additionally, when you’ve learn the outdated e book, seen the outdated one, you already know the story of Peter Pan. It does have a little bit of a factor the place like, all the ladies or women within the story like Peter Pan. There may be this type of bizarre factor with that. Like, Wendy’s sort of in love with him, Tinkerbell’s sort of in love with him, Tiger Lily’s sort of in love with him. It’s simply type of a factor. And on this film, they do this too, however there’s lots of completely different generations of girls. And so it’s very bizarre. And it’s just a bit like, you’re like, huh. If I don’t take into consideration that very a lot, okay. But when I give it some thought in any respect, story smart, I’m not certain what we’re doing. I don’t find out about that. That’s a bit of odd as a result of he marries Wendy’s granddaughter. Anyway, it’s just a bit bizarre.
Elsie: I believe typically you don’t wish to look that intently. So it is best to take your readers off for that.
Emma: Yeah, I sort of suppose if you wish to simply take pleasure in this film for the visuals, you’re in for a deal with. It’s beautiful, however don’t suppose too arduous about among the storylines. It’s bizarre.
Elsie: In the event you wanna like analyze it intimately although, you’ll be able to e mail Emma and it feels like you could have a pal who needs to try this with you.
Emma: Effectively, there’s additionally just like the alligator on the finish eats Captain Hook. This film’s been out perpetually, so spoiler, Captain Hook will get eaten by the crocodile, however the entire film, the crocodile is mainly a statue. And so they’ve sort of talked about how they’ve, I believe killed the crocodile and stuffed it, however then in the long run it falls on him, doesn’t transfer in any respect, simply falls on him, and he disappears. I suppose he will get sucked up in there, however you hear the crocodile burp. So then I suppose you already know he’s nonetheless sort of alive, I suppose. The crocodile burp for me is rather like what’s occurring? I don’t know. So anyway, there’s some issues concerning the story the place I’m like, yeah, I don’t know, I don’t find out about that. However I really like this film. It doesn’t actually even destroy it for me in any respect however I don’t know. I believe it might have taken another go on the draft.
Elsie: Yeah, child getting rolled away in a stroller. How does that even occur in any universe ever?
Emma: Then it falls out of the stroller into the road and Tinkerbell finds the newborn. I don’t know. It’s an issue, I believe. Story smart, it’s an issue.
Elsie: Aww. Effectively, I believe it’s a really artistic tackle Peter Pan, as a result of I’ve watched lots of these films with my youngsters. And as youngsters, we watched the Mary Martin model, the place there’s a girl, a blonde girl with brief hair who performs Peter Pan. That was considered one of our VHS tapes. I like this one. It’s aged very well. It’s very lovely. It’s very magical. And I believe that if we’re being trustworthy, each model of Peter Pan has some sort of downside as a result of it does have like some racism and a few issues that like some individuals suppose that such as you shouldn’t even learn Peter Pan or watch any film, you already know, as a result of it’s like, it’s a bit of tainted and I get that. So I believe that yeah, I don’t know, Peter Pan is sort of a tough factor to tiptoe round, however I do suppose it’s a magical story, and I do suppose that issues, you already know, that have been written like 100 years in the past usually have issues.
Emma: Yeah, I like that they’re doing a grown up Peter Pan who has to recollect his previous. I believe that’s an fascinating premise.I might give it like 12 out of 10 hooks for visuals after which similar to, you already know, like three crocodile burps out of 5 for storyline.
Elsie: Okay. I’m gonna give it six out of 5 hooks simply because I didn’t acknowledge Dustin Hoffman the entire time I used to be watching it.
Emma: So, One in every of my favourite of his performances.
Elsie: I’m in love with him. I believe I’ve a crush on Dustin Hoffman a bit of bit. Anyway, now I’m like, I get it. I get it. Anyway, okay. All proper, let’s do some trivia. This trivia is actually good. You wish to go first?
Emma: Yeah. Okay, so there are lots of well-known cameos within the film. So George Lucas and Carrie Fisher are the kissing couple on the bridge when Tinkerbell is taking Peter again to Neverland. You actually like can’t even hardly see them.
Elsie: I didn’t know that in any respect.
Emma: They’re similar to lifting up off the bottom as a result of she will get a little bit of fairy mud on them and the thought is that they’re having a contented thought. And pleased thought is what makes you fly. You actually don’t even see them, so it’s humorous that it’s well-known individuals. Glenn Shut is the bearded pirate who will get locked within the boo field.
Elsie: That’s epic.
Emma: Which till you already know that, I really feel such as you don’t even know that it’s a girl in any respect. And Gwyneth Paltrow is a younger Wendy. After which this one I didn’t even notice in any respect within the film, however my husband did. It’s Phil Collins is the police inspector. Simply Yeah, Phil Collins is in it. I don’t know.
Elsie: Jeremy has an enormous Phil Collins factor, so I believe I might acknowledge him, in all probability, from all his, like, sorry, however, like, very creepy album covers. His album covers are so intense. Okay. The road spoken by Rufio, you’re lifeless jolly man, needed to be spoken backwards by Basco, because the scene was shot after which performed in reverse. So the sword blade would come away from Robin Williams face as an alternative of towards it. His precise spoken line was, na me lod – I head rhy you that sounds actually arduous to carry out to me. In order that they did nice.
Emma: Rufio nailed it as a result of you’ll be able to’t inform, it simply feels like he says, you’re lifeless, jolly man. Yeah.
Elsie: Oh my God, this subsequent one’s my favourite one. Go forward.
Emma: This one’s wild. Okay. Steven Spielberg and Michael Jackson’s friendship ended as a consequence of this film. A number of years earlier, Spielberg had informed Jackson of his need to make a dwell motion model of Peter Pan, a personality and story that Jackson was famously obsessive about, as everyone knows, as a result of he had Neverland. In response to Spielberg, from then on, Jackson was underneath the impression, fully mistaken impression, that Spielberg had promised him the lead position. And when he subsequently didn’t get the half, Jackson took the perceived snub extraordinarily personally and by no means spoke to Spielberg once more.
Elsie: Truthfully, like, I relate with that stage of, like, petty. If I really feel such as you stole a dream out of my head after which didn’t let me be part of it. Yeah, I relate with it. I get it, at the least.
Emma: However I additionally really feel like, are you able to think about Michael Jackson As a substitute of Robin Williams on this film?
Elsie: I even have by no means seen Michael Jackson act. Are you aware if he ever acted or like what made him really feel like he may very well be an actor?
Emma: I don’t actually know if I’ve.I’ve seen music movies of him.
Elsie: Yeah. No, I do know he can dance. I do know he can dance, however like, I wager when you do sufficient music movies, you in all probability really feel such as you may be an actor as a result of there may be lots of appearing within the movies. However like, you already know, he did the zombie.
Emma: Yeah, I believe musicians usually are, you already know, performers they usually can translate, however I simply don’t see Michael Jackson.
Elsie: And it’s a comedic position, however I additionally really feel like, I hope that Steven Spielberg at the least supplied him a cameo, as a result of I really feel like he might have carried out a cameo if it was that particular to him. He might have discovered a possibly he didn’t wish to do it. I don’t know.
Emma: I imply, it feels like everybody received a cameo in the event that they wished one as a result of that they had lots of bizarre ones.
Elsie: If it’s like Peter Pan or nothing, I really feel like that’s sort of, that’s a bit of on you. Okay. The scene the place Peter passes his sword to one of many misplaced boys was improvised. Not one of the forged knew that he would go the sword apart from Robin Williams and Steven Spielberg, so the reactions of the boys have been real. Aww.
Emma: All of the little boys who play the misplaced boys nailed it on this film. They’re all actually good and quirky and enjoyable and I believed them and I believed they have been cool as a child and as an grownup now I’m like they’re cute and I simply wish to hug every of them. So I liked the casting of all of the misplaced boys on this film. They’re so cute. Okay, Steven Spielberg has overwhelmed himself up over Hook all through the years. He stated that he felt like a fish out of water and didn’t trust within the script. Maybe his ideas are finest summed up within the assertion from a 2013 interview. I wish to see Hook once more as a result of I so don’t like that film and I’m hoping sometime I’ll see it once more and maybe like a few of it.
Elsie: Oh no, that actually hurts as a result of I adore it a lot. I believe he’s arduous on himself, although, about his films, typically, as a result of I heard he was like that about Gremlins, which can also be one other, like, absolute banger. So, I imply, I suppose he possibly simply has very excessive requirements, which that’s in all probability why he’s Steven Spielberg, however I don’t know. I really feel like he ought to simply, like, let this be one of many best youngsters’s films of all time.
Emma: Yeah, I additionally really feel like this and to an extent Gremlins, they’re very completely different clearly, however they’re each a bit wacky. They’re each a bit on the market stretch like this isn’t Jaws. That is one thing else and I believe they’re fantastic, but it surely in all probability is sort of arduous to artistically love one thing that’s so wacky prefer it’s simply you already know I believe anytime you stretch your self as a artistic, it may be arduous to like the outcome.
Elsie: Truthfully, I wager it’s similar to, he remembers these, like, few important issues individuals stated, which everybody can relate to that. It’s like, once you make artwork, you at all times keep in mind the worst assessment. You do. You simply at all times keep in mind.
Emma: Do I really like the script of this film? No. However do I really like this film? Oh my gosh, sure. So I sort of really feel like Steven Spielberg made it.
Elsie: Okay. Effectively, we’re gonna write him a letter and we are going to set issues proper and we’ll make certain.
Emma: You probably did an excellent job, Steven. Yeah, we’ll make it possible for he is aware of. I’m certain you care what we predict. You probably did an excellent job.
Elsie: Okay. Dame Maggie Smith, being solely 56 years outdated on the time of filming, was aged by make-up to play 92 yr outdated Grandma Wendy. I did marvel about that. I used to be like, how? Trigger we’ve been watching Harry Potter so much and I’m like, how does she look the identical? Like simply eternally at all times the identical. That’s very fascinating. I really feel like she was sort of like Betty White in that manner. Prefer it was like she was sort of doing like an outdated particular person’s costume earlier than she was actually outdated.
Emma: I puzzled in the event that they have been planning on doing extra flashbacks after which they didn’t. As a result of more often than not that she’s within the film, she’s the 92 yr outdated with the heavy make-up. And the make-up seems to be nice. Very convincing. However yeah, I used to be like, oh, this actress, she’s not likely that outdated.
Elsie: She’s nonetheless alive proper now. Yeah. And this film’s from once we have been a bit of child.
Emma: She’s an exquisite actress, however I used to be like, why did they forged her? Why didn’t they forged somebody older? As a result of more often than not she’s outdated within the film, however possibly they have been planning on doing extra flashbacks or one thing, however then it didn’t work out. Trigger they have been like, oh, it’s already two and a half hours.
Elsie: I believe I picked the suitable particular person. I believe she’s nice.
Emma: It was simply sort of a, you already know, like, effectively, okay she’s simply in heavy make-up the entire time. All proper. I don’t know. Okay.
Elsie: Okay. So, I suppose that’s all the pieces for Hook. We love this film. We’d love to listen to from you your rewatch requests. So it may be something. It may be a child’s film, it may be a brand new film, it may be an outdated film. The one factor although it has to have is, like, rewatchability, the place you possibly can watch it, you already know, like, you’ve watched it many, many occasions in your life and also you’re by no means bored with it. And the second factor, it has to have like, similar to the comfy, the aesthetic. We did do Jurassic Park, which might be like probably the most unhinged factor we ever did.
Emma: Jurassic Park is superior.
Elsie: Did we do Gremlins already or have been we doing it subsequent yr? I wager we’re doing it subsequent yr.
Emma: I really feel like we simply speak about it on a regular basis.
Elsie: Okay. I used to be simply beginning to consider all of the Steven Spielberg films, however anyway. Okay. Are we his greatest followers? I do know I’m the most important Gremlins fan.
Emma: I additionally love Minority Report.
Elsie: However we’re not doing Minority Report for the podcast.
Emma: Why not?
Elsie: Oh no! Okay. Ship us your request. If you’d like Minority Report, then I have to know that one different particular person in addition to Emma on this entire world would need that. However yeah, I believe we do wish to maintain doing these semi perpetually. As a few years as we’re doing the podcast, we are going to maintain doing films as a result of they’re our favorites they usually’re actually enjoyable. Anyway, it’s time to go to a joke or a reality with Nova. Hey Nova, what do you could have for us this week?
Nova: A reality.
Elsie: A reality? We haven’t had a reality shortly.
Nova: Yeah, I believed we should always change it up. And so let’s do that reality. Do you know, like, within the outdated days, Skateboarding was known as sidewalk browsing.
Elsie: What? Are you severe?
Nova: Yep.
Elsie: That’s a cool reality. I didn’t know that. I wish to go sidewalk browsing. Do you wish to go?
Nova: Possibly.
Elsie: Okay. Have an excellent week, everybody.
Nova: And I’ll let you know another reality to make you not likely wish to do it. It’s one of many harmful sports activities.
Elsie: Oh, most harmful sports activities.
Nova: As a result of lots of people have, like, scraped themselves. Or damage themselves, like, so much. Possibly, like, 100 individuals yearly.
Elsie: Oh gosh!
Nova: Or much more. So chances are you’ll not wish to be a kind of individuals within the hospital. . So I wouldn’t rely on it when you don’t wish to get damage.
Emma: All proper. Thanks a lot for listening. You possibly can submit questions or rewatch concepts at podcast@abeautifulmess.com or you’ll be able to name and depart us a voicemail, however simply keep in mind to make it concise. So give it some thought forward of time if you wish to depart a voicemail as a result of we prefer to play them within the episodes. And that quantity is 417 893 0011. We’ll be again subsequent week, and we’re going to be deep diving into shopping for furnishings in your dwelling.
