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Episode #217: Our Social Media Influencer Experiences


This week, we’re sharing our experiences as social media influencers from the previous 10 years. We’re sharing how we grew our Instagram, how we earned cash influencing, our ideas for anybody who desires to get into social media influencing and lastly—why we’re taking a little bit of a pause from it in 2024.

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How we grew our IG to over 600K:

  • We posted every day for greater than 10 years
  • To achieve success you MUST put up regardless of the algorithm is prioritizing
  • Viral content material is essential to development

Why we’re taking a pause from social media influencing:

  • Manufacturers solely need video now
  • Not sufficient time to do full-time running a blog and full-time influencing
  • Can’t earn cash on posts—solely sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks

Sponsorship Execs:

  • May be profitable
  • Enjoyable to work with manufacturers you like
  • Number of work
  • Forming relationships with nice individuals

Sponsorship Cons:

  • They will dry up as a result of financial system or altering developments
  • It’s a must to at all times be evolving to maintain attracting sponsors
  • They’re primarily asking for one factor: movies.
  • They will cancel your put up after you’ve gotten already performed ALL the work
  • They will make you reshoot content material for minuscule particulars
  • Fast turnarounds

Affiliate Hyperlink Execs:

  • You possibly can promote something you need or use
  • You don’t should have a number of followers to earn cash
  • You’ve gotten full artistic management over the way you share hyperlinks
  • You could be by yourself schedule

Affiliate Hyperlink Cons:

  • It takes a LOT of amount and repetition to develop an affiliate hyperlink enterprise
  • Earnings are normally not constant
  • The longevity of affiliate hyperlinks isn’t good

Our recommendation for individuals who need to earn cash influencing in 2024:

  • Go arduous with video (or regardless of the subsequent new function/development turns into)
  • Select correctly if you wish to do excessive manufacturing or low manufacturing model
  • Select sustainable content material you get pleasure from making and may do time and again
  • Don’t take your self TOO severely

Ideas for creating wholesome boundaries:

  • Remedy is nice
  • Have a plan for while you come throughout poisonous individuals
  • Have a help system
  • Have conversations about your boundaries

Largest recommendation—massive sister to little sister:

  • Create a backup earnings … construct one thing that’s TRULY yours
  • Social media earnings can fluctuate vastly from 12 months to 12 months. All the time be planning your subsequent transfer!

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Episode 217 Transcript:

Emma: You’re listening to the Stunning Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation hear, and this week we’re sharing our experiences as social media influencers from the previous 10 years. We’re sharing how we grew our Instagram, how we earned cash influencing, our ideas for anybody who desires to get into social media influencing, and lastly, why we’re taking slightly little bit of a pause from it in 2024. Must be fascinating, so let’s discuss it.

Elsie: Sure, must be an fascinating episode, however earlier than we get into that, Woman Scout Cookies. So, the explanation we’re all nonetheless right here is the actual purpose behind this podcast. So little Nova has been promoting Woman Scout cookies, so thanks to everybody who’s ordered. I’m gonna put the hyperlink on this week’s present notes once more in case you missed it. Or in case you’ve already eaten all of the packing containers. Simply kidding. Yeah, I’ve to place it on the market. I’m supporting my child. You perceive, proper? 

Emma: I believe it’s honest. I’d talked about to somebody that Nova was gonna have a hyperlink on our present notes and stuff. They’re like, oh, it’s so unfair. Like they have been kidding, after all, you recognize. However I used to be like, you recognize, although, she has form of constructed slightly platform right here as a result of she’s been offering some a plus jokes, info, and meditations for fairly a while to our listeners. So I believe, yeah, purchase these cookies, individuals. 

Elsie: I believe her tip jar is well-earned.

Emma: Sure, I believe so too. 

Elsie: Yeah. And I’ve to say, she’s so happy with being part of the podcast. And she or he at all times asks individuals in the event that they hear her half. If we ever meet somebody who says they hear, so it’s magical and I find it irresistible. Yeah, it’s superior. Okay, so on this episode, we’re going to cowl how we grew our Instagram to over 600k followers, why we’re taking a social media pause, and why we’re posting lower than we used to this 12 months. And the professionals and cons of social media sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks. We’ll share all types of every thing we learn about that and our recommendation for individuals who need to earn cash influencing in 2024. Like I’m going to share the recommendation of how I’d say it. If my very own child wished to be an influencer. On this present period, yeah, social media, as you in all probability know, isn’t our greatest ardour, however it’s one thing that we fell into. It grew to become a profitable a part of our profession for greater than 10 years. We have been early adopters of Instagram. We posted there every day for greater than 10 years. Let’s begin with like what we discovered, and the way we grew our Instagram to over 600K followers. So we posted every day for greater than 10 years. An important key factor is to put up regardless of the algorithm is prioritizing at the moment. So within the very starting, I don’t know if there like wasn’t an algorithm or if it was similar to you couldn’t see it and really feel it as a lot. To start with, it was a chronological feed, and so at that time, the primary driver is amount. So that you need to put up like each hour, as a lot as you possibly can to at all times be on the high of, you recognize, individuals’s scroll. So posting rather a lot was the factor, and you recognize, that has modified. And now presently on Instagram, viral movies are, are the entire, like, universe of that app and you’ll develop. Final 12 months I had a viral video that grew greater than 100, 000 followers from one video and that does occur. It’s so value it. In case your major aim is attempting to develop on Instagram, then posting plenty of movies which have an opportunity to be viral, so, you recognize, like, go along with a sure format. 

Emma: Yeah, I’d additionally say, like, in case you don’t know what the algorithm’s favoring, you possibly can usually, like, form of choose it up simply from what it’s serving you. But in addition go on the Uncover web page, and there are particular packing containers on the Uncover web page which might be larger than others. These are getting extra emphasis they’re virtually at all times movies. So, you recognize that the algorithm is favoring movies, you recognize. Additionally, comply with individuals who appear to be rising and see what they’re doing clearly don’t copy their actual content material however in case you discover that they’re doing a number of tales and simply need you to know no matter you possibly can form of have a look at methods in that means.

Elsie: Yeah I imply, clearly you by no means need to copy somebody’s actual content material, however you possibly can simply copy the components that individuals use for making good movies, and I believe you need to, in case your aim is to develop, then I believe you need to get your Info from people who find themselves doing simply that. Yeah, I believe I took slightly course, really, about tips on how to make a viral video. And I had a viral video, like, in a few weeks. And it was principally like, give the start a hook, the place you see what you’re about to see extra of, and make all your cuts means shorter and it labored, you recognize, so I believe that making video content material is an incredible alternative in case you find it irresistible and also you’re good at it, and it’s one thing you’re interested by, then it’s your second for certain. And yeah, after all, the identical with TikTok. I additionally acquired all this, all of the followers I’ve on TikTok from one or two movies. It was a really fascinating experiment for me. I’m glad that I skilled it. It’s not one thing that I, at this level in planning to place much more power and focus into, however it’s enjoyable and I get it. For those who’re an individual who’s similar to interested in the thought of creating movies, then discovering methods to make, you recognize, a number of movies directly, make your workflow quicker, discover content material that, you recognize, is like simple and easy and sustainable so that you can make. I believe these are all issues to consider for certain.

Emma: Yeah. And I imply, I additionally assume like, we’re gonna discuss monetizing principally from sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks as these are the 2 major methods, however I additionally assume like social media is a extremely cool place to market no matter it’s you do as a artistic individual, as a small enterprise proprietor, it truly is a cool alternative that didn’t exist earlier than social media was actually a factor. So I put that on the record of professionals. So if you’re a author who desires to advertise their books, like me. Great spot to be doing it. You probably have, you recognize, a ceramics enterprise and also you need to be promoting extra ceramics in your Etsy store, it is a place the place you possibly can form of work on that. I don’t know if you have to be as fearful about rising, rising, rising in case you’re not going to be getting sponsorships or using affiliate hyperlinks. However I do assume it’s a cool place to be advertising and marketing and it’s value some effort.

Elsie: I fully agree. For those who’re like an writer or an artist, for instance, don’t fear about what number of followers you’ve gotten. Simply fear about like, making movies which have attain, the place you’re reaching new individuals. I’ve purchased so many books from scrolling TikTok. BookTok is one among my favourite issues about TikTok that like, retains me on there. It’s simply higher than Instagram. And it’s, like, actually entertaining, the movies that individuals make as authors and as readers. 

Emma: A few of my favourite Etsy outlets I discovered on Instagram. I noticed them making this stained glass factor, after which I purchased one, and, you recognize. So it’s a extremely cool place for that. However I wouldn’t fear a lot about massive numbers except you’re gonna be going after sponsorships. Simply take that strain off your plate in case you’re simply utilizing it to market. no matter work it’s that you just do. 

Elsie: I fully agree. Sort of the one purpose I can consider why it issues to have a number of followers is to realize sponsorships. And in case you’re not doing that, then similar to, strive to not care as a result of it’s not going to matter. So that is really like a top level view level, mini-rant, Elsie desires to defend influencers. So that is like one among my issues, it’s one among my hills to die on. And one of many the reason why I’m like cautious, I haven’t even wished to say. Like we’re not doing social media as a lot anymore or the place it’s not an enormous deal to us as a result of I really feel like if I say that I’m going to get so many messages affirming that social media just isn’t good and like I’m glad you’re not going to be an influencer anymore as a result of I don’t like them. Yeah. Like simply this sort of hateful vibe and in addition the best way that influencers are portrayed in books. And flicks, however principally books are alarming. 

Emma: Not my e book.

Elsie: Not in Emma’s e book. I’ll say Emma’s e book, I really feel such as you portrayed them as regular and virtually boring, which I discover to be very true. 

Emma: Thanks.

Elsie: And yeah, like, you recognize, they’re similar to, they’re chill. They’re simply individuals they’re doing a job. And the best way that a number of authors painting influencers is like I observed that they’ve to present them another factor as proof that they’re a great individual, which form of pisses me off. That sucks. It sucks that influencers are like, you recognize, it’s such as you instantly consider somebody who’s like a useless selfie individual or one thing like that. Prefer it’s in by some means much less of a noble occupation than, you recognize, different extra actual professions. And it’s one thing that girls, and positively influencers and bloggers should cope with always is, you recognize, these form of like actually ignorant stereotypes. 

Emma: Yeah, it’s ignorant. I additionally would simply say it’s form of lazy. It’s similar to a foolish joke. We’d wish to not give it some thought. So like, oh, these individuals simply take selfies wherever they go. They’re simply useless, simply lazy. Similar to, you recognize, I believe the primary joke for meals bloggers is like, they write two paragraphs at first about their journey to Italy or one thing, you recognize, and it’s like, it’s positive. It’s a humorous joke, however it’s really fairly lazy. It’s like, oh, you don’t perceive what this business is. Like all time I’m like, oh, you don’t perceive what we’re actually doing. That’s positive. It doesn’t actually matter. However influencers are literally like Elsie simply mentioned, I believe, actually rad, but in addition fairly regular and boring. There are people who find themselves simply, frankly, entertaining you for hours each single week.

Elsie: I need to defend them. Clearly, a few of my closest mates are influencers. We’ve been influencers ourselves for greater than 10 years. Not at all times, like, proudly carrying the flag of the phrase influencer. It’s form of, you recognize, I get it, it’s form of awkward, however like I don’t know. I simply, need individuals to know in case you haven’t met somebody or recognized somebody personally in actual life, that it’s a very aggressive, hardworking area of labor. There’s a lot that you must do without cost. 

Emma: You can be verbally abused greater than any server I’ve ever met. 

Elsie: Yeah. The verbal abuse score may be very excessive, and the quantity that individuals anticipate from you without cost or similar to really feel entitled to learn about your life and your kids and similar to every thing.

Emma: The boundaries are odd.

Elsie: The boundaries are tough. 

Emma: Yeah, effectively, I believe too, like, influencers are people. A few of them are fantastic, good individuals. You received’t meet a nicer individual, and there are in all probability some complete asses on there too. I don’t know. I imply, they’re all people. 

Elsie: I’ve by no means had that have. 

Emma: I haven’t actually both, to be trustworthy. 

Elsie: I’ve met a whole lot of influencers in my life, in all probability 1000’s. Individuals are good. Yeah. 

Emma: I’ll inform you what I can’t defend as simply although, the social media platforms themselves. I’m not the most important fan and I do have a number of bones to choose with that, however that’s in all probability a special episode. However that I believe is a bit more like, possibly there must be slightly extra guidelines and laws round. I believe they’re coming as a result of I really feel like there’s even a lawsuit proper now with MEDA that’s form of about their youthful customers and a few issues they’ve performed to not shield them particularly round like younger ladies and physique picture and issues of that nature. I additionally assume among the algorithms are geared, particularly in the direction of youthful girls, however usually are possibly similar to, possibly they don’t must be that addictive. Perhaps they don’t have to suck us in that means and make us really feel so anxious on a regular basis. You understand, possibly there’s one thing slightly bit damaged there. I believe most dad and mom take into consideration this rather a lot as their youngsters get to an age the place they’re like, ought to I allow them to have social media? You’re fascinated by its position in your life and whether or not has it been constructive. And it’s, you recognize, a tough factor. Trigger like I mentioned earlier, I believe it’s an excellent alternative for small enterprise homeowners, and creatives to have a option to market themselves that they didn’t have earlier than. I additionally assume there are some drawbacks to it that I form of want the businesses, the massive corporations making the entire cash would put slightly extra thought into for the general public. I believe that there may very well be slightly extra there and I’d wish to see that sooner or later personally.

Elsie: Yeah. I believe that’s what regulation legal guidelines are for regulation, I believe is unquestionably coming in that area. And I believe the vast majority of individuals see an enormous want for that. 

Emma: Yeah. After which I additionally assume it’s form of slightly tousled that they don’t actually permit their content material creators to earn cash except they do it on the facet via sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks. And, you recognize, I’ll simply level out, so, you recognize, we’ve a e-newsletter for Stunning Mess. If Elsie and I write a e-newsletter and ship it out to our record, it can go to your complete record. And a few individuals may not learn it or they may determine to unsubscribe. That’s as much as them. Nevertheless it goes to your complete record. Or, you recognize, the e-mail firm that we use, we use Flowdesk. There are different ones, MailChimp, MyEmma, no matter. They don’t determine simply to ship it to a small fraction of the record that we’ve created. It goes to the entire thing. On our Instagram account, they determine who will get to see the content material that we put out. We don’t get to determine that in any respect. And if we don’t play by their guidelines and do the issues that they need us to do, the addictive issues that their algorithm likes, individuals received’t see our content material. And I believe that’s slightly tousled for content material creators, so I’m not an enormous fan of it. I believe there may very well be a extra comfortable medium someplace 

Elsie: Yeah, you must go along with the principles that they make and I believe you’ve gotten to have the ability to settle for that. Everyone knows there’s nothing extra annoying than listening to an influencer complain about Algorithms, you recognize, and it’s like, yeah, all of us ceaselessly try this as a result of we simply do. However yeah, it’s like a lazy river, it’s like you must swim in the precise route always otherwise you’re fucked. Okay. I imply, you might outs swim it, however you’d get drained. Okay. So now let’s discuss, like, why we’re taking slightly extra of a pause from social media influencing. So we’re positively not quitting Instagram. Let me simply make that clear. It’s not gonna be thriving as a result of we’re not gonna put up, like, movies as a lot proper now, and I believe that the one option to be thriving proper now could be posting a number of movies, however yeah, I believe that we are able to present up slightly bit extra if you wish to be like in our inside circle, although, the place to try this is our podcast. The subsequent place after that’s our weblog, and the subsequent place after that’s our e-newsletter, and the farthest chance is social media as a result of it’s simply not what we’re into. So let’s discuss why. To begin with, our journey with sponsorships. So for lots of years, we did Weblog posts and social media sponsorships. 

Emma: At first it was form of an add-on. 

Elsie: Yeah, at first it was like a weblog put up and you then point out it in your Instagram. So it was such as you simply take one of many footage and also you write a caption and that was all that it actually was. After which it grew to become, typically individuals would ask for simply the Instagrams. Then extra just lately, most individuals began asking just for Instagram. That was form of a tragic time for us as a result of we love running a blog and we’re actually good at it. For lots of merchandise, writing a protracted weblog put up would profit them a lot multiple Instagram for at some point would.

Emma: So far as our skillset, and like what we’re good at. 

Elsie: And, you recognize, some individuals nonetheless did it, however it simply grew to become just like the development, you recognize, no matter businesses are asking for is what manufacturers are getting. They usually simply began asking just for social media movies. After which within the more moderen years, it grew to become simply movies. They solely wished reels, and at that time, that was positively the place we have been hitting our burnout wall, as a result of it’s a number of strain to make sponsored reels that do effectively with, you recognize, the issues of just like the algorithm, the size, the displaying the merchandise, making it like a pure. Additionally, the video was by no means our major expertise or our high expertise.

Emma: I’m extra of a photographer or videographer.

Elsie: Yeah, like we get pleasure from it, however we’re not like glorious at it like the best way some individuals are. So I believe that that’s positively one of many the reason why we began to get fewer sponsors, we simply know that in 2022, we acquired, like, in all probability half of the gives that we acquired in 2021. After which in 2023, it acquired even worse. Then by the tip of 2023, we acquired some fairly good gives in the course of the holidays. And we simply mentioned no to them as a result of we weren’t within the headspace anymore. And we have been like, really, we’re good with like form of phasing this out. And now it’s not that we wouldn’t take a sponsor, however we in all probability wouldn’t take a sponsor. 

Emma: Nicely, and you recognize, this fall is a number of when some larger ones come as a result of they’re utilizing the tip of the 12 months funds and there’s vacation time so there’s extra advertising and marketing funds anyway. And for us, we simply do have much less time faculty begins to shut, you recognize, there’s vacation stuff to do with youngsters and that’s a precedence for us as we’ve talked about earlier than. So it simply makes it that if you have to be a workaholic in December, it simply doesn’t suit your life anymore. 

Elsie: Yeah, like, I liked this December. We stopped working, I don’t know, round, like, the fifteenth to the twentieth, someplace in that zone, and we didn’t work once more till the brand new 12 months, and, I imply, I did, I labored, like, in all probability for, like, 20 minutes a day. That’s nothing in comparison with working full-time. And it was nice, I imply, We scheduled posts forward, so we nonetheless had stuff going up, however, yeah, having that form of flexibility is one thing {that a} full-time social media creator isn’t going to have in December. So, that was immense, like, that’s an enormous improve to our way of life at this level. So, yeah, we’ll discuss extra in regards to the professionals and cons. Okay. So, video content material, yeah, that’s one of many the reason why I like doing it. I assume what I need to clarify to individuals Is that if you consider like all of your favourite social media influencers, like take into consideration like three, okay? Similar to give your self a minute to think about three individuals who you like following on social media, and it’s very doubtless that none of them may have web sites that they replace on daily basis. Social media influencing is its personal profession and running a blog is its personal separate profession and there are very only a few individuals who do each full-time. We have been doing that for a very long time greater than 10 years however the purpose we have been ready to try this is as a result of we had a workforce and we had a number of help. So it’s not one thing that I believe we ever would or may or would need to attempt to do alone. So, yeah, after we had an opportunity to do exactly running a blog, we form of jumped for that as a result of it’s extra sustainable. We talked about that within the final episode. And it’s simply extra what we get pleasure from. Social media is extra of a hamster wheel, I can’t say the phrase hamster wheel sufficient after I discuss social media.

Emma: We at all times name it that behind the scenes, we’re at all times like, we gotta get off this hamster wheel. 

Elsie: It truly is. It’s like you must run so quick to maintain your wheel spinning, you recognize, simply to maintain the cash coming in and, you recognize, hold the content material going out. And, you recognize, you’re going to be doing all of that with a ton of verbal abuse coming into your DMs, individuals questioning, like, you recognize, your ethics and, like, your ethical fiber as a human and issues like that.

Emma: And why you’re not writing about present occasions while you’re not a journalist and possibly haven’t even heard about it but since you’re simply doing all your job and taking your youngsters to high school. You’re like, I don’t know. So, there’s all these issues too. So after we say hamster wheel, possibly we must always clarify that slightly extra and like passive earnings as a result of I believe to us, it’s apparent, and doubtless most listeners it’s. So after I take into consideration passive earnings, what I imply is I make some piece of labor after which I make earnings off of it for a protracted time frame, possibly not eternally. So the time that I, you recognize, spend just isn’t related to my work. So after I work for somebody, if I’m an worker someplace, my time and my cost are form of related, proper? So I’ve to indicate as much as work to receives a commission. Hopefully, you’ve gotten a great employer who offers you sick days and issues of that nature. However usually, in case you don’t present up in case you don’t put your time in, you don’t receives a commission. That’s the way it works. So passive earnings is the alternative of that. You create one thing and you then attempt to earn cash off of it for a very long time. So individuals do that in all types of various methods. The primary means the funding world that individuals discuss is like proudly owning properties and being a landlord. I believe you too can do it with digital merchandise or different sorts of merchandise you can promote again and again. For us, running a blog is turning into increasingly more of a passive earnings as a result of we attempt to write weblog posts which might be going to be on the high of the search for a very long time and are going to be helpful to individuals for a very long time. So we can earn cash from our CPM-based advertisements on these pages for years into the longer term, probably. And it’s not completely passive. We’ve got to maintain our web site up to date. We’ve got to guarantee that our web site has good internet hosting doesn’t go down or continues to be very usable. You understand, if we didn’t contact it for 5 years, like actually in any respect, that in all probability wouldn’t be good. I doubt the well being of our web site can be good, but when we’re in a position to do a number of the work, you recognize, upfront after which simply form of preserve it, then it turns into passive earnings. Social media doesn’t actually provide the similar alternatives for that proper now. Perhaps it will change sooner or later, I don’t know. However for the time being, sponsorships and affiliate hyperlinks are your major methods to earn cash, and that form of roughly expire slash is tied to your time. So if I make a extremely cool sponsored put up, let’s say it’s a reel, I receives a commission no matter I used to be contracted you recognize, we’ve agreed to a value, they pay me. My reel goes up. That’s that. Now, if I would like to make more cash, I have to go discover a new sponsor or make one other piece of content material for that sponsor or no matter else. I’m not going to make more cash sooner or later off of that reel. It’s a performed deal. Even when it goes viral, it’s not essentially going to make me more cash simply immediately as a result of it doesn’t have advertisements on the web page. There’s no means that social media allows you to try this. That’s simply not an possibility proper now. Affiliate hyperlinks are form of the identical means. If I put these in a put up on my grid, or if I put them in my tales, tales particularly, it can expire. Even grid posts, even when they go viral, over time, they’re simply not one thing individuals click on on or click on via. So these affiliate hyperlinks aren’t going to maintain incomes me cash essentially. 

Elsie: No, I’ve had plenty of instances after I stopped posting affiliate hyperlinks and it goes down so tiny to love principally nothing while you’re not posting them frequently on daily basis. Okay. So I put down some professionals and cons. So we’ll do sponsorships after which we’ll do affiliate hyperlinks as a result of yeah, I believe similar to explaining what it’s love to do the job would assist inform people who find themselves, like, fascinated by it, or, you recognize, you recognize somebody who’s attempting to get into it. And a number of instances you don’t know the professionals and cons till you’re, like, doing it, which is unlucky. Okay, so sponsorship professionals. It may be very profitable. There have been instances when our sponsorships made greater than every other a part of our enterprise, and they could be a massive one. It may be actually enjoyable to work with manufacturers you like. A number of the proudest instances in my early running a blog profession have been getting sponsorships for manufacturers that have been cool to work with.

Emma: Yeah. That you simply idolize. That’s like enjoyable. 

Elsie: Yeah. You get to do an enormous number of work. So we’ve performed social media posts, after all, and weblog posts, however we’ve additionally performed paid occasions. We’ve performed this factor referred to as SMTs, which is sort of a satellite tv for pc media tour, the place you want, you be on the information. We did one, like holding Kahlua bottles and stuff, and we did like seven or 10 information interviews in a row throughout the nation. Generally individuals would simply pay us to do like a Pinterest pin. There’s simply an enormous number of methods individuals can sponsor you. Or are there any extra professionals you need to add? 

Emma: I believe it may be enjoyable to love work with, like we’ve had some relationships that developed over time that have been actually constructive, like simply very nice individuals both on the firm or on the company that labored with the corporate. So that may be a professional too. Yow will discover simply very nice those who you find yourself working with. 

Elsie: Sponsorship cons. To allow them to dry up immediately as a result of financial modifications. It occurred in the course of the pandemic. There are even seasonal funds modifications the place this time of 12 months individuals received’t get as many sponsorships, and when you’ve got main bills, you could be in a nasty place if that’s your major earnings. You at all times should hold evolving to maintain attracting sponsors, so it’s enjoyable to evolve when it’s your alternative and while you need to, however while you discover one thing that you just’re good at, that you just get pleasure from doing, after which it simply not works, that’s irritating. And while you really feel the strain to do issues that you just wouldn’t ever select simply to maintain attracting sponsors, that’s difficult. After which, for us, a number of it was movies lately, the primary factor sponsors ask for is movies. And we simply discovered them not as enjoyable, simple, or gratifying to work on as weblog posts and photograph content material up to now. After which, that is one thing that I believe lots of people don’t know, that I would like individuals to know, particularly in case you’re simply moving into it. However manufacturers can cancel your put up after you’ve already performed all of the work. And that does occur form of ceaselessly. 

Emma: And you’ll have a contract, however you recognize, on the finish of the day, if somebody breaches a contract, your choices are to sue them, which prices cash, or I don’t know, put up about it on-line. However I believe that’s dangerous for an entire bunch of various causes.

Elsie: Yeah. And a number of instances your put up will fall via, this is quite common while you’ve already put in half of the work. So simply to even safe a put up and begin a contract, you normally should current a full idea. And typically, you recognize, you place a number of work into that. After which, you recognize, they cancel the put up after that, or they are saying possibly, after which it turns right into a no. So I believe it’s essential to know that there’s a number of further work, like, for each sponsored put up that goes up. There are numerous extra that fell via, the place you kinda midway began it after which didn’t get to finish it. Additionally, manufacturers can ask you to reshoot your content material for minuscule particulars, like minuscule particulars.

Emma: Yeah, issues that matter to them, like, you recognize, displaying the model label extra or one thing of that nature. 

Elsie: Yeah. Like, I’ve heard of individuals having to reshoot off of, like, having the improper shade of nails, or they didn’t just like the outfit they have been sporting, or issues like that, and it’s form of similar to an opinion in opposition to an opinion, and finally, since they’re the one holding the carrot, you must do, you recognize.

Emma: Carrot it’s the paycheck.

Elsie: Yeah. In order that’s positively a con reshooting is quite common. And for me, it was like at all times very irritating after I felt like I had already accomplished one thing and checked it off my record after which got here to seek out on the market’s like a technique you mentioned a phrase that they didn’t like or one thing like that. And you must do the entire thing once more. It can soften your mind. 

Emma: One different con I’ll say is that, and this isn’t at all times, however usually they’re form of fast turnarounds as a result of they may have, you recognize, some form of marketing campaign they’re operating, or possibly they’re having a sale on their web site or one thing of that nature. It’s well timed. You understand, they’re doing their spring content material and so they is perhaps mailing you a product that’s going to be featured in your sponsored content material. And so it takes time. It comes within the mail. After which you must shoot it after which you must get approvals and that takes time. You possibly can’t simply, you recognize, possibly they’ll approve it in an hour, however in all probability not, there are people too who’ve work hours. So then there’s that. After which if there are any modifications, so on and so forth. So it simply makes it the place you form of should be slightly bit on name as you’re doing a sponsored piece. And that was rather a lot simpler earlier than I had youngsters as a result of now my schedule is much more depending on, you recognize, if somebody has a sick day or if daycare is closed or one thing like that, then I simply can’t actually work or I’ve to inform my associate he can’t work in order that I can get my factor performed, which is, you recognize, one thing you do. Nevertheless it’s simply, you recognize, a factor that’s slightly bit, it’s much less versatile. Life is rather less versatile as you do sponsored content material that has fast turns. They usually are likely to, and it is sensible why they do, they’re not being imply, it’s simply the way it works, you recognize. 

Elsie: Like think about that you’re about to go on trip, so that you full all your work, flip it in, after which whilst you’re on the airport, you get an e-mail that asks you to do one thing else you can’t do anymore, like that’s the kind of irritating factor that occurs fairly usually in that sort of labor. After which it’s like, you possibly can attempt to negotiate. You possibly can attempt to arise for your self and it typically works and it typically doesn’t. 

Emma: Or you might attempt to transfer the date. But when they’re having a sale or they’re, you recognize, if it’s one thing well timed for them, it could not work. So yeah, it’s simply difficult. 

Elsie: Okay. So let’s discuss slightly bit about affiliate hyperlinks. The largest platform known as LTK up to now it was referred to as reward model, however now it’s, I believe it’s formally solely referred to as LTK. Additionally, the Amazon associates program is a really massive program as effectively. So these are the primary two packages that we’ve performed and been concerned with. In order that’s simply the primary ones that we’ll discuss trigger there’s in all probability 100 extra. We simply don’t have expertise with them. So affiliate hyperlink professionals. Nicely, okay first I ought to say, that there are individuals who make a top-level full-time earnings from affiliate hyperlinks. It may be very profitable, however I believe it’s form of like sponsorships. It’s a must to do an enormous quantity of buildup earlier than you get to that time the place you possibly can earn that like a physician’s wage. So that you do should put in normally a 12 months or years of labor. Both means, to have the ability to construct up up to now.

Emma: It’s a talent too, as a result of basically what you’re doing is promoting, proper? You’re recommending merchandise that you just like and also you’re promoting it to your viewers. So one, you’ve constructed an viewers, two, you’ve constructed belief with them, and three, you’re good at promoting. And never everybody’s naturally good at promoting. And also you’re additionally promoting on platforms the place you’re making like movies of the issues or you recognize. There are only a lot of expertise concerned that I believe individuals don’t know. 

Elsie: The extra comfy you might be with promoting, the extra profitable you’ll in all probability be with affiliate hyperlinks. 

Emma: Which is why I’m doing so good promoting Nova’s Woman Scout cookies as a result of I actually consider in it. 

Elsie: Sure! Okay, affiliate hyperlink professionals and that is kind of like evaluating it to sponsorships slightly bit. The primary professional is I like you can promote something you need to, something you select. So the cool factor about it’s, like, while you work in sponsorships, you possibly can spend a number of time attempting to attend for a dream sponsor, attempting to draw a dream sponsor, you’re posting about them, like, hoping they’ll discover you, issues like that. However with affiliate hyperlinks, even with a small following, you possibly can go forward and simply begin promoting no matter factor is, you like this sure sort of pan or this sure sort of curling iron or no matter. You possibly can simply begin promoting it and earning profits, you recognize, irrespective of what number of followers you’ve gotten. Yeah. That’s an enormous alternative there and with viral movies, it really works nice as a result of it doesn’t matter what number of followers you’ve gotten anymore. It simply issues if you may get your movies viral. 

Emma: And I believe to indicate the product in like a lightweight the place individuals are going to seek out it fascinating. So displaying how nice the curling iron is, or I watch a number of content material about organizing and I’m like, Oh, this factor that goes underneath the sink that holds all of the, you recognize, I’m like, I see you’re displaying me precisely why I would like this. And you recognize, Yep. So it’s such as you’re doing an excellent job promoting it to me. So that you’d be good at that. 

Elsie: Completely. Yeah. So you possibly can earn cash with fewer followers. One other factor that’s cool about affiliate hyperlinks is you’ve gotten full artistic management over the way you share your hyperlinks. For those who work with the model, they’ll in all probability ship you a quick. They’ll ask you to, like, do, like, a spring theme or do a Christmas theme or no matter their entire factor is at that second. They’ll ask you to comply with sure specs, and in case you do affiliate hyperlinks, you are able to do it nevertheless you need, which is simpler as a result of a number of instances nevertheless you need is simply what you’re already doing at your house. So it similar to takes out a number of steps of getting to love match sure, like while you watch sponsored posts you in all probability don’t know, however individuals are checking a number of packing containers even of what phrases to make use of. What colours they’re allowed to put on? 

Emma: The size of the video. 

Elsie: Sure. What sort of music, and while you do affiliate hyperlinks, you possibly can select all of that stuff or similar to form of not care and do no matter you have already got occurring, which I like. After which one other factor I like about it’s that it may be by yourself schedule. So if it’s January when you’ve gotten essentially the most time, that’s not a time of 12 months when a number of sponsors are reaching out. You possibly can have, you recognize, January be your greatest month of the 12 months that you just make affiliate content material. And it wouldn’t matter, you recognize, and you too can make content material forward for different components of the 12 months with out having to fret about if it’s going to be accepted or not since you’re the one one approving it. So, it’s just a bit extra, like, versatile and environment friendly. And I’ll say that LTK Is a big alternative. There are many individuals who make greater than 1,000,000 {dollars} a 12 months on LTK, however I don’t assume it’s like simple by any stretch of the creativeness. I believe it’s actually, actually arduous. 

Emma: We don’t make 1,000,000 {dollars} a 12 months.

Elsie: No, it’s not. It’s not us. It’s not us. Yeah. It’s doable although. Okay. So affiliate hyperlink cons. So right here’s what we expect is unhealthy about affiliate hyperlinks. Yeah. It takes a number of high quality and repetition to develop what you are promoting in any respect. So the commissions, you’ll get commissions for every thing you promote, however they’re tiny and it takes a very long time for them to construct up. So while you first begin, you may need every week the place you earn like 27 {dollars} and that might be like an enormous week for you of working rather a lot. And that sucks. Like, that’s a con for certain. And you recognize, you’re doing it within the hopes that by You understand, you’re following a mannequin that may very well be extra profitable sooner or later, however there’s not a assure of that. And you must put in a number of work without cost. One other factor that’s con is that the earnings should not constant. So that you don’t have management. There are a number of manufacturers on LTK the place the commissions go up and down. So that you is perhaps doing so effectively, like sharing the garments you acquire from Madewell, however then they may flip their fee all the way down to a decrease degree once they have an enormous sale, which additionally occurs to be while you promote essentially the most stuff as a result of it’s simpler to promote throughout an enormous sale, and that’s one thing to bear in mind is that you recognize, it’s extremely inconsistent, and it’s actually like a amount technique. You simply should be placing out big portions of affiliate hyperlinks to earn bigger portions of cash. The opposite factor is you must be comfy promoting on-line and have a knack for it. There are individuals on TikTok who you possibly can inform this, like their entire factor all day, on daily basis, they’re like promoting vacuums and little cleaners and little, you recognize, these little scrub brushes which have a protracted neck for some purpose, like issues like that, you recognize, and so they simply make tons and tons of movies, put up the identical movies time and again. And it’s working for them. So I believe that it’s one thing that must be one thing that you just had time put aside for and area in your life to be like at all times analyzing and form of maintaining with these methods. 

Emma: Yeah. I believe form of like our weblog, how we’ve our personal little technique with it, and folks from the surface trying in, we talked about this within the final episode, may not get it. I believe it’s related typically with an affiliate you may have a look at somebody in case you comply with them very persistently You is perhaps like that is so repetitious however in case you’re like an off-the-cuff follower, it in all probability doesn’t really feel that means and also you’re in all probability extra doubtless to purchase to be trustworthy as a result of I purchase stuff from individuals’s affiliate hyperlinks on a regular basis, and it’s normally very random It’s similar to, I’m like, Oh yeah, I do want that, click on. 

Elsie: I imply, I at all times purchase issues from hyperlinks. If I’m like gonna take a look at, I believe it’s like a pleasant factor to do ’trigger they’re working actually, actually arduous for the cash. It’s not a simple job. I don’t know if I may say which one I believe is more durable. They’re each arduous. We positively made more cash from sponsorships via the years. For those who simply need like our clear disclosure. So that is the recommendation I’d inform my very own youngsters. In the event that they need to change into an influencer in 2024 once they’re too younger and so they’re not even on social media, don’t fear, they’re not saying they need to do something like that. 

Emma: No, nobody’s engaged on her, her Woman Scout cookie aim.

Elsie: They need to be like an artist and a princess. However simply in concept, if somebody who was near me requested me like, do you truthfully assume I ought to do it? And I believed that they had a knack for it. You understand, I’d be encouraging in some methods. Like, I believe that Influencing has developed rather a lot first via the years. There are issues that we by no means even thought can be a chance that was an enormous alternative afterward. And a number of instances our work snowballed into different initiatives and there was, you recognize, and it was thrilling and it was enjoyable. It was artistic and I’ve no regrets about what we did with our profession in our twenties and thirties, however I’d give them the warning that that is work that doesn’t have good longevity. It’s not passive earnings. There’s nothing about influencing that I’d name passive earnings. It’s like exhausting work that you must hold working arduous eternally to maintain incomes cash. 

Emma: You do get to be your personal boss in a number of methods. Yeah. So like, that’s cool. However no, it’s not passive. 

Elsie: In concept, in case you have been profitable, you might rent an assistant or a workforce to make it extra passive for you, however it’s at all times going to be one thing that somebody has to maintain some wheels turning to maintain incomes cash. So yeah, that’s the factor that I believe is simply the most important draw back of social media influencer work, after which clearly, like, simply the shortage of respect and human decency that you just obtain is fairly tough.

Emma: That’s the primary factor I’d say, is like, I believe sure persona varieties could be on-line greater than others, and I don’t imply that as any form of diss to any explicit persona sort. I simply assume the web is usually a little little bit of a harsh place. And so for some individuals, I don’t assume it’s a wholesome place for them to be on a regular basis and also you form of should be on-line rather a lot if you wish to earn cash on-line, you have to perceive what’s occurring on social media, what the algorithm desires and like maintaining with, in case you’re doing affiliate hyperlinks, all of the gross sales and various things that the businesses that you just love are doing sponsorships, you have to perceive like what content material goes to do effectively along with your viewers and the way it’s going to suit along with your sponsors and so forth and so forth. So that you’re simply gonna should be on-line rather a lot. And in case you don’t need to be on social media on a regular basis, then this isn’t going to be a great job for you. It’s going to make you’re feeling unhappy and anxious. However I believe some individuals are completely positive with it. They’re in a position to have, like, these actually cool boundaries with it and simply, you recognize, like, That is my job, I do it and I get off. And folks say what they need to say and I don’t actually care. And it’s like, that’s cool in case you acquired that going, you then’re good, you’re golden. 

Elsie: I believe that you just simply have to proceed with the warning and the warning that somebody informed you this isn’t a simple job. Like, I simply don’t like that it’s portrayed as a simple job, as a result of it’s simply form of not. Perhaps in case you have been like a celeb, or so like, okay, think about in case you’re like a B record superstar who already has a pair million followers or like 10 million followers. For them, I believe, an influencer facet job is form of a no brainer as a result of they have already got an agent. They don’t should construct a following. I believe that for them, it may very well be possibly considerably of a simple profitable job. And I see why a number of them do it, I completely get it. I believe that that’s additionally a part of why we don’t have as many sponsors as we used to as a result of a number of B-list celebrities kind of like took over influencing, which is sweet for them. I genuinely am so comfortable for them. However for individuals who have to start out from scratch, it’s a number of work, like most individuals, it takes years to construct a following, and the quantity that’s thought of a powerful following goes up each single 12 months. So it may be like a carrot that you just’re chasing eternally. 

Emma: Yeah, it may be.

Elsie: So let’s go on to the positives. So that is the recommendation that I’d give to individuals if you wish to earn cash influencing in 2024, both you’re already doing it and also you need to do some extra otherwise you need to begin, right here’s our recommendation. The very first thing is to go actually arduous with video or no matter new function turns into the subsequent development after that, however proper now it’s positively video. I believe if you wish to develop an even bigger following, you form of should put up movies frequently and no matter frequency that you just’re in a position to and get into a degree the place you get pleasure from it or it’s enjoyable for you the place you recognize, it doesn’t really feel such as you’re simply checking packing containers. It feels such as you’re constructing one thing that you just get pleasure from.

Emma: Yeah, you gotta discover your means with it. 

Elsie: The subsequent factor I’d do is select very correctly if you wish to do a excessive manufacturing model or a low manufacturing model. After I watch on Tiktok, the individuals who do the movies the place they’re speaking and placing on make-up, It appears to be like form of simpler than a number of the movies we’ve performed the place, you recognize, you’re like portray an entire room or one thing on digicam. Like, select very correctly which one you assume you’d be capable of do frequently again and again. You understand what I imply? While you’re establishing your factor, I believe it’s good to decide on one thing that you might do with very excessive frequency. 

Emma: Yeah. And I’ll say that’s form of arduous as a result of I by no means would have guessed that in 2008, or 2009 after I began my first meals weblog, I nonetheless proper now in 2024 would love meals running a blog. Like truthfully, that’s simply fortunate. Yeah. So, you recognize, do your finest with it, however it’s form of arduous to foretell the longer term. Generally our pursuits change. We’re all simply people, and so that you form of should let your self try this. 

Elsie: I agree, and I’ll say I’ve recognized tons of people that fully modified course. My greatest recommendation, that is like massive sister to little sister, a very powerful takeaway of this episode, so please hear. I encourage of you. If you’re somebody who works in social media, create a backup earnings, and construct one thing that’s really yours. Social media earnings can fluctuate vastly from 12 months to 12 months. You understand, we don’t know what’s gonna occur with the financial system. With, you recognize, our personal repute or different issues, like there’s plenty of issues that would occur sooner or later which may not be nice to your influencer enterprise. I’ll say our social media was the primary leverage that we needed to launch seven profitable apps all through the 30s, which was its personal arduous enterprise with its personal journey, however I’m so glad that we constructed different incomes on the facet, you recognize, and we didn’t solely depend on sponsorships as our major earnings. 

Emma: Yeah. And simply usually, in case you’re in an period the place issues are going effectively for you financially, then like find out about private finance. If that hasn’t been part of your background, possibly you already discovered all that. Perhaps your dad and mom taught you, possibly no matter. Superior. You’re good. If not, get some books about it. Try Ramit. He does, I’ll train you to be wealthy. There are all types of different assets to principally make investments your cash and discover methods to make your cash be just right for you as a result of there may come a day when what you are promoting dries up or modifications in drastic methods or your priorities change as a human and also you’re going to need to just be sure you invested your cash correctly alongside the best way.

Elsie: Yeah, we’d have been so screwed when our sponsorships dried up, if that have been our major and solely earnings. So, earlier than we wrap up our social media recommendation, we thought we’d simply share some ideas for creating wholesome boundaries as a result of a number of being profitable at social media is having the longevity and psychological well being to maintain no matter might come your means. So, inform us a few of your ideas Em. 

Emma: Nicely, remedy’s nice, so I extremely suggest that. So only for the document, any work surroundings could be form of poisonous. It’s not that we expect social media is the one one. I’ve had mates who had actually horrible workplaces, horrible bosses, who have been verbally abusive to them and issues like that. I simply assume you form of should know social media. That can for certain occur. Simply put together your self with a plan for the way you’re going to deal with it when it does. And it might probably occur in different places too. In order that recommendation is for anybody actually. So yeah, remedy is basically good. I believe too, like discovering your self assets, in case you are usually slightly little bit of a individuals pleaser, which I believe virtually everyone seems to be to some extent, some greater than others. Sort of have to seek out some books, assets, mates, and family members you can discuss to, and set your self up a help system as a result of the extra profitable you might be on social media, the extra you’ll have individuals who dislike you, who dislike the content material you make or assault you personally, or, you recognize, assume that you just’re a nasty individual or, you recognize, you’ll run the gamut of issues they’ll say to you the extra profitable you might be. So that you’ve acquired to have some boundaries in place for the way you’re going to deal with that, the way you’re going to let it make you’re feeling in case you’re going to let your self have breaks, issues of that nature. After which, I believe too, while you’re doing sponsorships, setting wholesome boundaries out of the gate as you’re employed with individuals, whether or not it’s an worker or whether or not it’s a sponsor. So issues like contracts could be very useful. However I additionally assume simply having conversations round what number of instances you’ll reshoot one thing, what occurs if, you recognize, this or that state of affairs may come up by no means hurts to ask questions. It’s not awkward. It’s okay to say, what ought to I do in case you don’t pay me after 90 days? What recourse will I’ve? See what they are saying. There are all types of various areas that I believe we’ve to guard ourselves and have boundaries. 

Elsie: Yeah, we hope this episode was useful. So we’ve a voicemail query, so let’s go forward and play that. 

Voicemail: Hey Elsie, hey Emma, that is Kate from South Florida. We’re transferring again as much as being your loved ones, within the Tampa Bay space, and we’ve purchased an paradoxically like a pseudo-historical residence alone home. Full with just like the third ground as much as the attic end state of affairs. My query, nevertheless, is we’ve at all times gone with a extra conventional, very, very washable couch state of affairs, and this home screams historic colours like greens and I imply, I believe actually browns and wealthy woods. We’ve got stable oak all through the home. So my query is that this if we’re to go along with a settee and we’ve by no means gone with shade is a velvet inexperienced couch. A stable alternative and is it technically form of impartial as a result of I believe it may very well be after which I assume actually the livability. We’ve got a big doodle and a 4-year-old. Yeah, you’ve gotten a number of expertise with coloured sofas and velvet. So please give me your heads up as to what you guys assume.

Elsie: Hello, Kate. Thanks a lot for this query. That is actually enjoyable. Your home sounds superb, by the best way. I’m excited to see it. Ship us an image. So in case you haven’t already ordered, I’ll inform you what I believe are the professionals and cons of a velvet sofa. So my private favourite pet-friendly sofa is leather-based. I like leather-based couches, however I do know that possibly you’re vegan, or possibly you similar to don’t just like the look of leather-based. I believe that velvet is nice. I believe that it’s washable. It’s fairly forgiving. It’s extra forgiving than linen or one thing like that. Nevertheless it does get imperfections, texture imperfections, after which sagginess, I’d say is like the primary factor {that a} velvet sofa can get, which I believe in case you’re a pillow individual could be okay. My opinion of the way it appears to be like finest is sort of a darkish sofa in a darkish room, a lightweight sofa in a lightweight room in order that it blends. I believe while you put it on excessive distinction, you then’ll see these imperfections extra. 

Emma: I’d agree. I additionally would, I’m certain you already really feel this fashion, Kate, however you recognize, with canines, with youngsters, life, you recognize, it’s simply going to mess up your stuff. It’s a part of it. So embrace the pillows and the throw blankets and, you recognize, purchase, the cleaner. What’s the one, Folex? I really feel like that one’s actually good with canines. Not hair, however like different, different messes. And personally, I believe a inexperienced velvet sofa sounds superior, so I’m into it. 

Elsie: Yeah, I had one at an Airbnb. I by no means had one in my residence, I don’t assume. Yeah, I believe they’re fairly. 

Emma: Airbnb, that tells that it in all probability holds up fairly effectively. 

Elsie: I say go for it. All proper! Okay, let’s cross it over to Nova for her section. Hey Nova, what do you’ve gotten for us this week? 

Nova: A truth. 

Elsie: A truth? Okay, I’m excited. 

Nova: Do you know the primary Olympic Video games have been held in historic Greece? 

Elsie: Whoa, that sounds actually cool. I want I may see it. 

Nova: Yeah, I believe it’s cool. 

Elsie: Thanks, Nova! 

Nova: Bye, I’ll see you subsequent week.

Elsie: Thanks a lot for listening. We had a lot enjoyable sharing about our social media period. We’d love to listen to your options for subjects for future episodes. Ship us an e-mail at podcast@abeautifulmess.com along with your request. And subsequent week we might be again with an absolute banger rewatch podcast. It will be Harry Potter week subsequent week, so we’ll see you then.

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